Legislature(1995 - 1996)

02/28/1995 03:05 PM House FIN

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                     HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                        February 28, 1995                                      
                            1:30 P.M.                                          
                                                                               
  TAPE HFC 95-33, Side 1, #000 - end.                                          
  TAPE HFC 95-33, Side 2, #000 - end.                                          
  TAPE HFC 95-34, Side 1, #000 - 302.                                          
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Mark  Hanley called  the  House Finance  Committee                 
  meeting to order at 3:05 p.m.                                                
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley               Representative Martin                          
  Co-Chair Foster               Representative Mulder                          
  Representative Brown          Representative Navarre                         
  Representative Grussendorf    Representative Parnell                         
  Representative Kelly          Representative Therriault                      
  Representative Kohring                                                       
                                                                               
  ALSO PRESENT                                                                 
                                                                               
  Representative  Ramona  Barnes;   Marveen  Coggins,   Staff,                 
  Representative Toohey; Sharon Barton,  Director, Division of                 
  Administrative  Services,   Department  of   Administration;                 
  Victoria Lord,  Ketchikan  Arts Council;  Molly Jones;  Mary                 
  Ostrowski, Fairbanks; Kathleen Wedemeyer,  Fairbanks; Andrew                 
  Grose, President, Council of State Governments; Tim  Wilson,                 
  Director,  Alaska  State Council  on  the Arts;  Wanda Chin,                 
  Fairbanks; Pete  Bitsiot;  Charlotte  Van  Zant  King;  Mike                 
  Anderson,  Cordova;  Joan  Jackson,  Member,  Alaska   State                 
  Council on the Arts; Patricia Wolf, Anchorage.                               
                                                                               
  SUMMARY                                                                      
                                                                               
  HB 92     An  Act  extending  the termination  date  of  the                 
            Citizens'  Review  Panel for  Permanency Planning;                 
            and providing for an effective date.                               
                                                                               
            HB 92  was reported out  of Committee  with a  "do                 
            pass" recommendation and with a fiscal impact note                 
            by the House Finance Committee for the  Department                 
            of Administration.                                                 
                                                                               
  HB 106    An   Act   relating  to   art  in   public  places                 
            requirements and the art in public places fund.                    
                                                                               
            HB  106   was  HELD   in  Committee   for  further                 
                                                                               
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            discussion.                                                        
                                                                               
  HJR 20    Relating  to  unfunded  federal mandates  and  the                 
            Conference of the States.                                          
                                                                               
            CSHJR 20 was reported out  of Committee with a "do                 
            pass" recommendation and with a fiscal impact note                 
            by  the Legislative  Affairs  Agency, 2/1/95;  and                 
            with a  zero  fiscal note  by  the Office  of  the                 
            Governor, dated 2/1/95.                                            
                                                                               
  HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 20                                                
                                                                               
       Relating   to  unfunded   federal   mandates  and   the                 
       Conference of the States.                                               
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE RAMONA BARNES,  sponsor of  HJR 20, spoke  in                 
  support  of  the legislation.    She  observed  that HJR  20                 
  authorizes  the  State   of  Alaska  to  send   an  official                 
  delegation to a Conference  of the States to be  held during                 
  1996.  The  Conference will be  the first formal meeting  of                 
  the  fifty  states since  1786.   Delegates  from  all fifty                 
  states will debate  and vote on  an action plan designed  to                 
  restore  checks  and  balances between  the  states  and the                 
  federal government.   The action plan  will be forwarded  to                 
  individual states  for  approval.    The plan  will  not  be                 
  binding.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative Barnes  maintained that  the Conference  will                 
  receive national  and  international media  attention.   The                 
  Conference will take place no longer than nine months  after                 
  resolutions are passed by 26 states.  She noted that a dozen                 
  states have already  approved resolutions.  She  stated that                 
  similar  resolutions are  under consideration in  most state                 
  legislatures.                                                                
                                                                               
  Representative Barnes explained that under  the terms of the                 
  Resolution the Governor and four  legislators, two from each                 
  House,  would be voting  delegates at  the Conference.   She                 
  observed that the Council of State Governments, the National                 
  Council  of  State  Legislatures  (NCSL)  and  the  National                 
  Governor's Association are coordinating the Conference.  She                 
  asserted that the  Conference is supported by  all political                 
  parties and the Knowles Administration.                                      
                                                                               
  Representative Barnes referred to a  legal opinion by Tamara                 
  Cook, Director,  Division  of  Legal  Services,  Legislative                 
  Affairs  Agency, dated February  28, 1995.   Ms. Cook stated                 
  that  "HJR  20 itself  does  not call  for  a constitutional                 
  convention...   the Conference itself  does not amount  to a                 
  constitutional  convention  because  it  was  not called  by                 
  Congress and the required number of  states have not applied                 
                                                                               
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  to Congress for a convention."                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Barnes asserted that an amendment made by the                 
  House State Affairs  Committee, on  page 3, lines  18 -  24,                 
  needs to  be removed  in order  to allow  the Resolution  to                 
  conform to resolutions passed by other states.  The language                 
  was  added  to clarify  that  Alaska's participation  in the                 
  Conference of the States is not interpreted or  construed to                 
  be  consent   by  the   State  as  an   application  for   a                 
  constitutional convention or for the purpose of amending the                 
  Constitution of the United States.                                           
                                                                               
  Representative  Mulder  observed  that  the Committee  could                 
  adopt the original version of HJR 20.                                        
                                                                               
  Representative Navarre asked if the addition of the American                 
  Legislative  Exchange  Council  (ALEC)  would  substantially                 
  change the bill.  Representative Barnes assured him that the                 
  addition of ALEC  would not substantially change the bill in                 
  the same way  as language added  by the House State  Affairs                 
  Committee.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Representative  Barnes  noted  that  she   is  on  the  NCSL                 
  Executive Committee.   She observed that ALEC  is considered                 
  the conservative arm of national  legislators.  She stressed                 
  that  inclusion   of  ALEC   would  allay   fears  by   some                 
  conservative elements  that participation in  the Conference                 
  would initiate a Constitutional Convention.                                  
                                                                               
  Representative Parnell stated  that he  had worked with  the                 
  sponsor  on  an amendment  to  add the  American Legislative                 
  Exchange Council to  HJR 20.  He noted that ALEC was founded                 
  in 1973 by a small group  of Democratic and Republican state                 
  legislators  who   shared  a   common   commitment  to   the                 
  Jeffersonian   principles   of   free  enterprise,   limited                 
  government  and  individual  liberty.   It  is  the nation's                 
  largest bipartisan  association  of state  legislators.   He                 
  noted that ALEC has had  a State's Sovereignty Committee and                 
  has dealt  specifically with unfunded  federal mandates  and                 
  restoration of state authority.                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Brown referred to back-up material, "Unfunded                 
  Mandates" (copy on file).   Representative Barnes noted that                 
  the  material  was  produced  by  the   Republican  National                 
  Committee.                                                                   
                                                                               
  ANDREW GROSE,  PRESIDENT, WESTERN  OFFICE, COUNCIL  OF STATE                 
  GOVERNMENTS  testified in support  of HJR  20.   He observed                 
  that the Council of State Governments will be the  convening                 
  authority if resolutions are passed by 26 state legislatures                 
  in substantially similar form.  He discussed the purposes of                 
  the  Conference.    He  suggested  that  the  Conference  is                 
                                                                               
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  designed to be a formal but nonlegal process.  He maintained                 
  that  there  is no  legal  opinion  that suggests  that  the                 
  Conference  of the States  has any authority  to turn itself                 
  into a constitutional convention.  He pointed out that  even                 
  if  the Conference  were  a  constitutional convention  that                 
  three-fours  of  the   states  would  have  to   ratify  any                 
  constitutional changes adopted.                                              
                                                                               
  Representative  Grussendorf  questioned if  language stating                 
  that  the  Conference is  not  a call  for  a constitutional                 
  convention would  prevent the Resolution  from conforming to                 
  resolutions from other states.  Mr. Grose did not think that                 
  the inclusion of language stating that the Conference is not                 
  a call  for a  constitutional convention  would prevent  the                 
  Resolution  from  sufficiently  conforming   to  resolutions                 
  adopted by other states.                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  asked if  other  groups, such  as the                 
  Women  Legislator's  Lobby or  the  National Order  of Women                 
  Legislators have  been invited  to participate.   Mr.  Grose                 
  stated  that  ALEC  is  the  only  group, outside  of  those                 
  included in the Resolution, that has come forward to ask for                 
  a formal role in the Conference.  He noted that the Steering                 
  Committee   decided   not    to   formally   invite   member                 
  organizations.   Membership in the  three organizations that                 
  are formally invited are paid by state dues.                                 
                                                                               
  Mr.   Grose   emphasized   that   the  decision   of   which                 
  organizations will be invited to  provide input will be made                 
  during the first organizational meeting.                                     
                                                                               
  In response  to a  question by  Representative Kohring,  Mr.                 
  Grose explained that  the registration fee will  be adequate                 
  to cover the  cost of the  Conference.  Legislators will  be                 
  expected to pay for their travel and accommodations.                         
                                                                               
  Representative Kohring spoke in support of HJR 20.                           
                                                                               
  KATHLEEN    WEDEMEYER,    FAIRBANKS   testified    via   the                 
  teleconference  network.   She  expressed  concern that  the                 
  Conference could become a run-away convention.  She stressed                 
  that there is no formal structure, rules or process in place                 
  for the Conference.  She maintained that the Conference is a                 
  violation of the legislative process.  She asserted that the                 
  process will be expensive.                                                   
                                                                               
  MARY OSTRAWSKI,  FAIRBANKS testified via  the teleconference                 
  network.    She  claimed  that  there  is a  risk  that  the                 
  Conference  of  the  States  could become  a  constitutional                 
  convention.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Representative Barnes reiterated  that there is no  way that                 
                                                                               
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  the Conference can become a constitutional convention.                       
                                                                               
  Representative  Mulder stressed  the  importance of  state's                 
  rights.   He suggested  that  the Conference  can press  the                 
  state's rights issue.  He asserted  that the State of Alaska                 
  has more to gain from the Conference than other states.                      
                                                                               
  Representative  Mulder  MOVED  to  report   HJR  20  out  of                 
  Committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  with  the                 
  accompanying fiscal notes.                                                   
  Representative Grussendorf OBJECTED.                                         
                                                                               
  Representative Brown pointed out  that information contained                 
  in the back-up  material "Unfunded Mandates", in  regards to                 
  Anchorage's sewer system, is  not accurate.   Representative                 
  Barnes  discussed  the material.    She emphasized  that the                 
  material was included as examples of unfunded mandates.                      
                                                                               
  Representative Barnes stressed  that there  is no intent  by                 
  Congress to  act on  unfunded mandates  that are  already in                 
  place.  She  maintained that unfunded federal  mandates have                 
  tremendous effects on the State of Alaska.                                   
                                                                               
  Representative Brown stated that she  was unable to identify                 
  any federal mandates that are unfunded.   She noted that the                 
  State  of  Alaska   has  placed   an  unfunded  mandate   on                 
  municipalities in the  form of the Senior  Citizens Property                 
  Tax Rebate Program.                                                          
                                                                               
  LEONARD  EFTA,   KENAI  testified  via   the  teleconference                 
  network.  He spoke in opposition to  HJR 20.  He stated that                 
  there should be no federal mandates.                                         
                                                                               
  SEYMOUR  MILLS,  KENAI  testified   via  the  teleconference                 
  network.   He spoke against federal  mandates.  He testified                 
  in opposition to HJR 20.                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative Grussendorf noted that  members of the public                 
  are   concerned   that  the   Conference   may  lead   to  a                 
  constitutional convention.  He spoke  in support of adopting                 
  the House State Affairs  version of HJR 20.   Representative                 
  Barnes noted that  the amendment adopted by  the House State                 
  Affairs Committee was  based on a  resolution passed by  the                 
  State of Colorado.  Representative Kelly spoke in support of                 
  the House State Affairs version.                                             
                                                                               
  Representative Barnes  stressed that  she has  been lead  to                 
  believe that the Resolution must conform to language adopted                 
  by twenty six states.                                                        
                                                                               
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  Representative Mulder  expressed concern  that subjects  for                 
  conversation at the conference not  be limited.  He stressed                 
  that the Resolution conform to those passed by other states.                 
  He spoke in support of the original Resolution.                              
                                                                               
  Representative  Grussendorf emphasized  that CSHJR  20 (STA)                 
  clarifies that the  Resolution is not  an application for  a                 
  constitutional convention.    He  maintained  that  dialogue                 
  would  not  be limited  by  the Resolution.   Representative                 
  Barnes stressed  that she  did not  object to the  amendment                 
  added by the House State Affairs Committee.  She stated that                 
  her concern is that the Resolution conform sufficiently with                 
  resolutions from other states.   A roll call vote  was taken                 
  on the MOTION to adopt HJR 20.                                               
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Mulder, Parnell, Kohring, Foster, Hanley                           
  OPPOSED:  Navarre, Therriault, Brown, Grussendorf, Kelly                     
                                                                               
  Representative Martin was absent from the vote.                              
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (5-5).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative  Parnell  stated that  he  would not  move to                 
  adopt an amendment to include ALEC.                                          
                                                                               
  Representative Brown suggested that language be added to the                 
  analysis section of the accompanying fiscal note to indicate                 
  that  participating  state  legislatures  will be  asked  to                 
  appropriate a small amount  of money to pay the  actual cost                 
  of the Conference.                                                           
                                                                               
  Representative Barnes  observed that  registration fees  are                 
  paid through the Legislative Council.  She asserted that the                 
  fiscal note,  by the  Legislative Affairs  Agency, of  $11.0                 
  thousand dollars is adequate.                                                
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder  MOVED to  report CSHJR  (STA) out  of                 
  Committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  with  the                 
  accompanying fiscal note.  There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                 
  so ordered.                                                                  
                                                                               
  CSHJR 20  was reported  out of  Committee with  a "do  pass"                 
  recommendation  and  with  a  fiscal   impact  note  by  the                 
  Legislative Affairs Agency,  2/1/95; and with a  zero fiscal                 
  note by the Office of the Governor, dated 2/1/95.                            
                                                                               
  HOUSE BILL NO. 92                                                            
                                                                               
       "An Act extending the termination date of the Citizens'                 
       Review Panel for Permanency Planning; and providing for                 
       an effective date."                                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  MARVEEN COGGINS, STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE TOOHEY testified  in                 
  support of HB  92.   She noted that  legislation creating  a                 
  system for  external citizen  review of  child welfare  case                 
  plans was  passed by  the  State of  Alaska  in 1990.    She                 
  observed that the 1980 Federal Adoption Assistance and Child                 
  Welfare  Act requires  that  a case  plan  be developed  for                 
  children  in  foster  care and  that  the  plan be  reviewed                 
  periodically.  She maintained that  foster care placement is                 
  intended  as a short term solution to an emergency situation                 
  of abuse or neglect.  She stressed that children have become                 
  lost in the  foster care, welfare  system.  She stated  that                 
  approximately  half a  million children  pass through  state                 
  foster care per month in the  United States.  She maintained                 
  that citizen  review panels help assure that children do not                 
  linger unnecessarily in out-of-home care.  There are citizen                 
  review panels in twenty  five states.   She pointed out that                 
  prior  to the  creation  of citizen  review panels  only 4.8                 
  percent of children  entering foster care left in  the first                 
  year.  Since  citizen review panels  became active up to  33                 
  percent of children  entering foster  care leave within  the                 
  first 6 months.                                                              
                                                                               
  Ms. Coggins  noted  that the  Department  of  Administration                 
  began implementation of a citizen  review panel in 1993 with                 
  a pilot project  in Anchorage.  An audit  by the Division of                 
  Legislative Audit recommended  that the  sunset date of  the                 
  Citizens' Review Panel  for Permanency Planning  be extended                 
  to 1997.   She noted that the legislation is  supported by a                 
  variety of groups working with foster children.                              
                                                                               
  SHERRIE  GOLL,  ALASKA'S  WOMEN LOBBY  testified  in  strong                 
  support  of  HB 92.    She  noted that  there  is widespread                 
  support for the Citizens' Review Panel.   She pointed to the                 
  success rate of foster  care review boards in  other states.                 
  In Kentucky  a  child's  average  stay in  foster  care  has                 
  dropped from 4.2 to 1.8 years with the institution of review                 
  boards.   She noted  that in  South Carolina  the number  of                 
  children leaving foster care within the first year rose from                 
  4.8% to  33%.   In New  Jersey caseloads  were reduced  from                 
  13,000 to 6,800 children.                                                    
                                                                               
  Ms.  Goll  asserted   that  the  Citizens'  Review   Panel's                 
  effectiveness can be measured by the length of time children                 
  remain in the  foster care  system.  She  noted that  foster                 
  care payments for each child are $6.9 thousand dollars.  She                 
  maintained that the  Citizens' Review  Panel can assist  the                 
  Division  of   Family  and  Youth  Services   with  required                 
  administrative review.                                                       
                                                                               
  Ms.  Goll emphasized  that the  greatest savings is  for the                 
  children in foster  care.   She noted that  in Anchorage  86                 
  percent of children who have been  in foster care six months                 
                                                                               
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  will still be  in foster care a  year after placement.   She                 
  stressed that many children in state custody six months have                 
  experienced two or more removals from home.  One eleven year                 
  old had twenty documented placements.                                        
                                                                               
  Ms. Goll  observed that a  number of "missing"  parents have                 
  been  located  and  re-involved in  planning  for  the child                 
  through the intervention of the Citizens' Review Panel.  She                 
  emphasized that Alaska Native heritage is taken into account                 
  by the Panel.  Village elders are invited to participate.                    
                                                                               
  Ms. Goll urged the support of continuation  and expansion of                 
  the  Citizen  Review  Panel for  Permanency  Planning.   She                 
  maintained that the Panel  will result in state savings  and                 
  promote a better outcome for children in state custody.                      
                                                                               
  In response to a question by Representative Kelly,  Ms. Goll                 
  stressed that  effort is  made to return  children to  their                 
  homes.   She  asserted that the  Panel can  shed light  on a                 
  child's case.                                                                
                                                                               
  Representative Kelly asked  if the system  is working.   Ms.                 
  Goll  observed that the  system is  overworked, under-funded                 
  and under staffed.  She observed that DFYS staff do not have                 
  sufficient computer support.                                                 
                                                                               
  Representative Brown  referred to  the  January 1995  report                 
  from  the Anchorage Citizens' Review  Panel.  She noted that                 
  they recommend that the total number  of cases a DFYS worker                 
  can  carry be limited  and funding be  authorized to reflect                 
  the  limits.    She  spoke  in  support  for  continuing the                 
  Citizens'  Review  Panel  for  Permanency  Planning.     She                 
  suggested that panels  can help  provide oversight and  find                 
  real solutions.                                                              
                                                                               
  SHARON BARTON, DIRECTOR, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, DEPARTMENT                 
  OF ADMINISTRATION stated that the Department has requested a                 
  supplemental for  FY 95 to  continue the program  through to                 
  July 1, 1995 or longer if  the Legislature decides to extend                 
  the  sunset  date.   She  observed  that the  program  was a                 
  legislative  initiative in  response to the  perception that                 
  the system  could benefit  from public  participation.   The                 
  Department  supports  the objectives  of  the program.   She                 
  stated that  as the program  is currently designed  it would                 
  remain based in Anchorage.                                                   
                                                                               
  Ms. Barton stated that the Department's fiscal note could be                 
  withdrawn.    She  noted  that funding  is  included  in the                 
  Governor's amended budget.   Co-Chair Hanley noted  that the                 
  program can be extended  and funding debated as part  of the                 
  budget process.                                                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  Representative Mulder MOVED to report HB 92 out of Committee                 
  with  individual recommendations and  with the  revised zero                 
  fiscal note.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                   
                                                                               
  HB  92  was  reported out  of  Committee  with  a "do  pass"                 
  recommendation and  with a fiscal  impact note by  the House                 
  Finance Committee for the Department of Administration.                      
                                                                               
  HOUSE BILL NO. 106                                                           
                                                                               
       "An Act relating  to art in public  places requirements                 
       and the art in public places fund."                                     
                                                                               
  TIM WILSON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ALASKA  STATE COUNCIL ON THE                 
  ARTS testified in opposition to HB  106.  He maintained that                 
  the Percent for Art program is  a fiscally conservative.  He                 
  noted that funding is tied directly to eligible  projects in                 
  the capital  budget.   He observed that  seven programs  are                 
  currently active in  the Percent  for Art program,  totaling                 
  $948,862 thousand dollars.   He maintained that  the program                 
  does not add to the cost of capital projects.  Repeal of the                 
  program  is not  anticipated  to  result  in a  decrease  in                 
  capital budget  costs.   There are  no administrative  costs                 
  associated with the program.   He observed that projects are                 
  controlled by  the department constructing  the facility  or                 
  building.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Mr. Wilson discussed  the Percent  for Art program  process.                 
  He  emphasized  the  community  nature  of Percent  for  Art                 
  projects.   He  observed that  90  percent of  the  projects                 
  funded  are  in schools.    Projects average  $80.0 thousand                 
  dollars with 4  - 6  separate commissions.   A committee  is                 
  convened  to  select projects.    Committees can  consist of                 
  representatives of  the building  department,  users of  the                 
  building, architects, artists and members of the public.  He                 
  stressed that children  are often involved in  the selection                 
  and execution of art in schools.                                             
                                                                               
  Mr. Wilson noted that the Governor opposes HB 106.  He noted                 
  that  the  Program  creates  jobs  for  artists  and  others                 
  associated with the installation of the work.  He maintained                 
  that projects enrich the public  environment.  He emphasized                 
  that  projects  reflect the  culture,  spirit and  dreams of                 
  people of the State of Alaska.                                               
                                                                               
  MIKE  ANDERSON,  CORDOVA  testified  via the  teleconference                 
  network.  He  testified in opposition to HB  106.  He stated                 
  that  he  has  been  involved in  Percent  for  Art projects                 
  through  construction,  teaching  and  as  an  artist.    He                 
  emphasized that art  is useful  in education and  represents                 
  our cultural heritage.                                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  JOAN  JACKSON,  MEMBER,  ALASKA STATE  COUNCIL  OF  THE ARTS                 
  testified via the teleconference network  from Cordova.  Ms.                 
  Jackson  created  murals  seen  in the  lobby  of  the State                 
  Capital.  She stressed that art gives identity to buildings.                 
  She stressed  that artists  maintained the  human scale  and                 
  heritage.  She observed that  tourists enjoy viewing Alaskan                 
  culture through art.                                                         
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley questioned  if Ms. Jackson would  support an                 
  amendment to only allow Alaskan artists to participate.  Ms.                 
  Jackson and  Mr. Anderson stated  that they would  support a                 
  limitation to allow only Alaskan artists to participate.                     
                                                                               
  WANDA  CHIN,  FAIRBANKS  testified  via  the  teleconference                 
  network.  She spoke in opposition to HB 106.  She asked that                 
  the legislation remain in Committee.   She denied that there                 
  is  an economic advantage to the  legislation.  She stressed                 
  that  respect needs to  be shown to  the artistic interface.                 
  She  observed  that  users  decide  which  project  is  most                 
  appropriate.                                                                 
                                                                               
  CHARLOTTE  VAN   ZANT  KING,  FAIRBANKS  testified  via  the                 
  teleconference network.   She testified in opposition  to HB
  106.  She stated that she has participated in 10 Percent for                 
  Art Commissions  since 1979.   She  did not  think that  the                 
  legislation  would save the state money.   She stressed that                 
  most  projects  are  in  schools,  chosen  by  Alaskans  and                 
  completed by Alaskans.   She  stated that approximately  900                 
  Alaskan artists are on the Council's Percent for Art mailing                 
  list.   She noted  that the  Percent for  Art is  calculated                 
  after architecture  and design fees have been  removed.  She                 
  suggested that money  not spent on art would be added to the                 
  contractor's fee.                                                            
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 95-34, Side 1)                                             
                                                                               
  Ms.  Van Zant King emphasized  that projects provide a boost                 
  to the economy.  She noted that children benefit from having                 
  artists in the schools during  the installation of projects.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  VICTORIA  LORD,  EXECUTIVE   DIRECTOR,  KETCHIKAN  ARTS  AND                 
  HUMANITIES COUNCIL testified via the teleconference network.                 
  She spoke in opposition to HB 106.  She noted that residents                 
  of Ketchikan enjoy  public art  that are the  result of  the                 
  Percent for Art  program.  She  gave examples of public  art                 
  projects  in  Ketchikan.    She  listed  artists  that  have                 
  participated in the program.   She noted that the  Ketchikan                 
  Arts and Humanities Council is assisting in the selection of                 
  works for the Ketchikan High School.   The process is in its                 
  third year.  She stressed that art connects buildings to the                 
  community.    She  emphasized that  projects  represent  the                 
                                                                               
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  cultural  heritage of  the community.   She  noted  that one                 
  artist spent  a week  installing art  in the  Ketchikan High                 
  School.   While installing  his commission  the artist  gave                 
  serveral  presentations  to science  and  art classes.   She                 
  noted   the  enthusiasm   of  children   for  the   artist's                 
  presentation and presence during the installation.                           
                                                                               
  Ms. Lord maintained that some  public buildings have escaped                 
  the program through  loop holes.  She detailed  buildings in                 
  Ketchikan  that  were not  subject  to the  Percent  for Art                 
  Program.  She urged the Committee to vote against HB 106.                    
                                                                               
  PATRICIA WOLF,  ANCHORAGE testified  via the  teleconference                 
  network.  She testified in opposition to HB 106.  She  noted                 
  that the Municipality of Anchorage established a Percent for                 
  Art program which  is administered at the  Anchorage Museum.                 
  She gave  examples of projects  in Anchorage.   She compared                 
  art in  public  buildings to  museums  without walls.    She                 
  stressed the value  of integrating  art into people's  daily                 
  lives.  She suggested that the  program can be improved with                 
  more effective administration.                                               
                                                                               
  MOLLY JONES,  ANCHORAGE  testified  via  the  teleconference                 
  network.  She noted that she manages Anchorage's Percent for                 
  Art program.   She observed that  funding for public art  is                 
  tied to construction activity.  She noted that  the majority                 
  of projects have been  in schools.  She gave examples of the                 
  variety of projects  commissioned in schools.   She observed                 
  that over 400 people have  volunteered to serve on selection                 
  committees for  the municipal  program.   She observed  that                 
  Alaska was  one of the  first states in  the nation to  pass                 
  mandatory percent for art legislation.                                       
                                                                               
  HB 106 was HELD in Committee for further discussion.                         
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting adjourned at 4:50 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
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